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What God Wants

 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:30 am    Post subject: What God Wants Reply with quote

If God were like me (I'm in his image, right?),
He wouldn't expect worship from his creations,
because I wouldn't.

What I'd want, if I were able to create a (micro) cosmos,
would be for it to be interesting,
and not too unruly.

So, maybe God wants us to be interesting.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An interesting line of argument. A Jesuit might argue that being made "in his image" does not mean that you are Him himself.

As far as creating micro universes...who knows. Maybe every time you go to the bathroom you stir up enough qubits to form them and not know about it.

Which brings me to another thought I had. The Simulation Argument. Given enough time, we invent ever more powerful software and hardware. We then design artificial worlds. Projected out over eons, it is likely we are in a simulation world.

However. Given even more eons, isn't it likely that those within the simulation figure it out, and then come up (ala The Matrix) with ways to break out of the simulation and (in the movie at least) go after the creators of the simulation and make them pay for making us suffer?

Aren't there myths and stories galore about the hero who breaks out of the chains and frees the society? Maybe its just as likely that we are escapees from a simulator who now are either floundering or just feeling our way through life trying to figure out for ourselves what our simulation gods used to program for us.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wouldn't require a Jesuit to argue that I am not God. Even a Capuchin
could make the case, if needed. Which, since I made no such claim,
it would not be.

The idea that we might be in a simulation goes back at least to
Descartes, and no doubt, ultimately to the Greeks. It is a very
popular conception, driving the plots of numerous fictional works.

Unlike in the Matrix, there is little reason to think that if we were
in such a simulation that "escape" from it would have any meaning
for us. What would be the meaning of our bodies, or minds, or anything
we knew, outside of our simulated universe?

I agree that there are a variety of arguments that make it seem
reasonably likely we are in such a simulated universe. There may
be no way of distinguishing between a simulated universe and one
that is created. But we are so small in such a vast cosmos, that
it would seem almost arrogant to resent whatever suffering we might
endure. It might come down to the motives of our Simulator.
Given that so much of our suffering comes from Nature itself, and
our own foibles, and not from Someone toying with us by moving
objects for us to trip on in our paths, I'll stick to gratitude for the
small bits of joy I can find.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:05 am    Post subject: the matrix Reply with quote

Einstein questioned reality, I don't have the exact quotes but he loved examining the laws of "reality" and wondered at them.

I think we may only play a very small part in what God wants, but I do think we're at the center of His attention currently.

I gotta say, He makes pretty cool stuff! (myself included, mwahhaha)
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