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The American Takeover

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:06 pm    Post subject: The American Takeover Reply with quote

I think a lot about the Founding Fathers. They were professionals, lawyers, farmers, businessmen.

They put everything on the line, openly, and risked their considerable wealth and position -- so they could control their destiny.

In many ways, it was all about taxes and business -- they were the original NeoCons. They gambled and won.

Would any of us have the courage (and the initial stake) to be able to say the make ourselves worth of being American citizens?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The next thing you'll tell me is that Jesus was a Neo-con.

Really, John, it *is* a bit much.

I associate "neo con" with 1) imperialist hawkish foreign policy,
2) "free" trade, 3) favoring corporate interests over individual
interests, and relatedly, 4) low taxes on businesses.

I guess you could make a case for #1, given the expansion
of the US, but what I remember of my high school civics
courses led me to believe that expansion was more a matter
of diplomacy and negotiation, not so much warfare. Of course
the indians were a separate matter.

For #2, I think there's a pretty wide divergence. For over a
century, the US government was funded by tariffs predominantly.
Not what is now considered free trade.

The founding fathers, I think, would be shocked and horrified by
the place that corporations have in our society. Early corporations
were strictly limited in the kinds of businesses that they could
carry out. If they were not doing business in a way compatible
with their limited charter, that charter was revoked. Furthermore,
corporations were not considered as "people" and eligible for the
same rights as human individuals. This is an unfortunate artefact
of an 1800's law clerk's misinterpretation of a high court ruling
(see separate post under "corporation as person"). The founding
fathers were in favor of individual freedom, not corporate freedom

So dar as I know, taxes (in the form of tariffs) were predominantly
leveed on businesses (importers) for the first period of US history.

So, I think if Neo-cons want to claim the founding fathers, they'll
need to modify their message a bit. In particular, they'll need
to be against corporate "personhood", and come down on the
side of individual freedom, and move away from corporate
boosterism. Also, globalist free trade policies sound pretty far
removed from what the founding fathers had in mind.

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