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RiskPoker: A Risk and Poker Mashup

 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: RiskPoker: A Risk and Poker Mashup Reply with quote

I was pondering why poker is not so much
like life in general. [see other posts]

Ultimately I was led to the idea that part of
the key to understanding how to apply my
understanding of the competitive nature of
poker to the seemingly cooperative nature of
so many real-life, human to human interactions,
was to consider that multiple games were going
on at once. That cooperation could still be
described in terms of competition, by positing
that players play for multiple prizes during multiple
simultaneous "games" and that these prizes were
not directly "fungible" into a single currency.
In this scenario, cooperation arises because
different players give different weights to the
"prizes" that they win or lose.

While my ideas have moved a bit since this thought,
one simplified way of making the notion of multiple prizes
clearer is to consider a "mashup" of "Risk" and poker.
Instead of playing for chips, individual Risk territories
could be the prizes of multiple games, in this case,
poker games. In the simplest instance, this means
simply playing a hand of poker during each attack,
instead of rolling dice.

In this example, two players might have very different
ideas as to the value of a particular territory, one
valuing it highly, and the other very lowly. RiskPoker
illustrates multiple, non-fungible prizes, differently weighted,
but not necessarily the simultaneous element I described.

So there you have it: a poker/risk mashup.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incidentally, I've been thinking along these
lines for several months, but I never felt
compelled to establish it's "Read It First"
provenance until yesterday.

I saw a segment on CBS's "Sunday Morning"
on a new "sport": Chess Boxing. Speed Chess
alternates with rounds of boxing.

One notion mentioned was that this competition
could reward or bring out a kind of "Renaissance
Man". Those who excelled would necessarily
possess some quality of "balance".

They played it for laughs, and it started me
thinking about other game/pastime combinations.
How about:

Javelin Knitting
Chutes and Ladders Hurdles
Craps 100 Meter Sprint
The "Clue" Heptathalon
Synchronized Underwater Poker
Basketball Monopoly
Archery Roulette
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeopardy Ping Pong: You must answer correctly for serve.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:23 am    Post subject: Re: RiskPoker: A Risk and Poker Mashup Reply with quote

brian-hansen wrote:
That cooperation could still be
described in terms of competition, by positing
that players play for multiple prizes during multiple
simultaneous "games" and that these prizes were
not directly "fungible" into a single currency.


Isn't this still the case in that each "pot" could be seen as an individual prize. Some pots being worth more than others. For example, a low stacked player who is taking an all or nothing approach to stay in the game. To this player, a particular pot at that moment in time is worth more than the actual value of the money because he needs it to stay alive.

So, therefore, rather than seeing a "poker game" as a set of pots, each individual pot becomes its "own game" with its own set of strategies...never repeated, never imitated.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I think your post is helpful because it reminds us that the
nature of the game is sequential. A sequence of games makes
a tourney, and a sequence of "stages" occur within a game.
Multiple games can occur at once, which is common in tournaments.


brian-hansen wrote:
I think you're on a bit of a tangent, here. Poker can be played
as a tournament, which leads to the all or nothing approach,
as well as players maximizing survival using strategies that
would not be in play in a single game, or in a cash-based game.

When I was posting these ideas, I was tending to think of the
single hand as "the game", though the tourney as the game
may have leaked through a bit.

In a tournament setting, the value of a chip in a small stack
is higher than it is in a large stack. You can calculate the
relative value based on the distribution of chip stacks, the blinds
and payout structure.

...


And my original post is about how players at a single table could
be playing multiple simultaneous subgames,
with different payouts whereby one could
explain cooperative behavior within a single "game".

To flesh this out, if you and I are bargaining over the price of your
item at your garage sale, we're playing for "neighborliness" points,
points for wit, wisdom, and where the price ends is only one of many
payouts. What looks like cooperation is ultimately explained in
terms of competition. Which is the gold standard for fitting into
the sociobiological framework.
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