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Climate Cart Before Cloud Horse?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Climate Cart Before Cloud Horse? Reply with quote

First I read:

Clouds may be thinning due to global warming

Clouds decline due to global warming, suggests a study of the Northeast Pacific, which in turn would lead to more climate change.

Clouds reflect sunlight, cooling the atmosphere, note the Science study authors led by Amy Clement of the University of Miami. Whether global warming creates more clouds or less "remain a primary cause of uncertainty in global climate model projections," says the study. Global warming is projected to raise average atmospheric temperatures from 3 to 7 degrees Fahrenheit this century, by best estimate of the 2007 International Panel on Climate Change.

Well, could say that "global warming" thins clouds OR you could agree with Svensmark, who, all alone has been saying that clouds control global warming...and what generates clouds? The cloud nuclei are created in response to cosmic radiation...radiation from the Sun and elsewhere.

At any rate, real science is being done as CERN to test the hypothesis (which, to almost anyone with sense, is far more logical than CO2 dependent global warming):


There are two main theories that attempt to explain recent changes in climate: the first states that changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) are the main driver, and the second claims that varying solar activity, amplified by corresponding changes in cloud cover, are most important. The first is promoted heavily by politicians and activists, based on computer modelling; as for the second, the most interesting work is quietly being pursued at CERN, the European Centre for Nuclear Research.

Notes from a recent conference:

Cosmic rays and climate
Jasper Kirkby /CERN
CERN Colloquium, 4 June 2009
(Note: long download, large pdf file)
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