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The Nobel War Prize

 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: The Nobel War Prize Reply with quote

It is a shame and a mockery that Al Gore would be even considered for a Nobel.

Not even mentioning his complete destruction of the scientific method and the politicization of science that occurred almost entirely due to him, one has to look at the amount of strife generated by this disconsolate man.

Isn't the Peace Prize supposed to be awarded to one who brings harmony?

From the get go, Gore has set up a dialectic of Us and Them, of Right and Wrong. He calls his opponents names and even disgraces the memory of the Holocaust by turning its terminology to his own political ends.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No wonder society fears climate change:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071012/sc_afp/nobelpeace

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"Climate change threatens to disrupt stable economic activities all over the world and it also threatens to disrupt social stability."
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:31 am    Post subject: Re: The Nobel War Prize Reply with quote

Your argument here has some plausibility on the surface.
After all, how does warning of AGW promote peace?

jabailo wrote:
It is a shame and a mockery that Al Gore would be even considered for a Nobel.

Not even mentioning his complete destruction of the scientific method and the politicization of science that occurred almost entirely due to him, one has to look at the amount of strife generated by this disconsolate man.

Isn't the Peace Prize supposed to be awarded to one who brings harmony?

Espousing a controversial idea would not disqualify one for a peace
prize, in my opinion. If that were the case, people that said the
most agreeable things would be most qualified. Or how about the
guy that invented the smiley face icon?

And it isn't about science. There is no prize for climatology, last I
checked. If Gore won a Nobel for science work, it would be quite
surprising. I've never heard him claim to be a scientist.

As it happens, I heard a bit about the rationale for the prize the
other day. The operative metaphor was that Human activities
constitute a kind of war against the environment.

It does seem like a bit of a stretch, and overly metaphorical,
along the lines of Time magazine declaring that "You" are the
person of the year.

Still, one person can't "destroy the scientific method".

I'm not certain what to say about the sins of "politicizing".
I can recognize it when scientific reports are edited/rewritten
by political appointees, but if I give Gore the benefit of the
doubt, and is acting to warn the electorate of a danger that scientists
believe is real, then "politicization" is less clear.

I could easily imagine him to be wrong, but right or wrong,
he's in very highly regarded company, what seems to me
(at my high-school senior level of expertise on the subject)
to be a majority of current experts in the field.

Quote:

From the get go, Gore has set up a dialectic of Us and Them, of Right and Wrong. He calls his opponents names and even disgraces the memory of the Holocaust by turning its terminology to his own political ends.


Dialectic: unfortunate, but probably unavoidable, assuming,
for the moment, that he thinks he is right, the danger is great, and
action is required. Many people, and most politicians embrace
these right/wrong dialectics.

Name calling: this is your strongest argument, I believe. I can't
say much more, not knowing much more about the names and the
contexts, though.

Holocaust: don't really want to step into this one much, but again,
if you give the benefit of the doubt to him that he believes that
the level of damage and human loss of life that I've seen predicted,
then invoking the "H" word, doesn't offend my ear as much as it
seems to offend yours. If there were a tornado, say, that killed
millions of people, for instance, some people would not easily avoid
such a comparison.

Interestingly, thinking about how to express destruction on the
scale that some have predicted, I imagine it might be hard to
avoid offending some group. Maybe we could use "plague"
because there are no living black plague survivors to correct us.

I don't relish defending the man, or his prize. I guess I'm just
reacting to what seems an unfair argument. If you take him
at his word, then the "strife" of opponents disagreeing is a
necessity, and a natural part of any disagreement on important
topics.

And "disconsolate"?
Seems awfully personal, whether true or not.

Anyway, I'm not hoping for an extended dialogue on this question,
just a little bit of fairness. If we wanted to find common ground,
perhaps we could agree that it was a conceptual strain to award
him the peace prize, and let it go at that.
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